David Dunn 00:00
...and we ended up hiring this had to be ex military pro helicopter pilot to basically drag up big electrical and mechanical equipment on a Saturday morning in Los Angeles. And these, these, these, you know, specialists were up there tied to the building, accepting the equipment, guiding it in. There was basically like a high dive platform on the 27th floor, just Outlook, you know, over the street, to bring this equipment in. You
Eric Bell 00:40
All right, welcome back to the Baxtel podcast, where we uncover the cloud from the data center. I'm your host, Eric Bell, and today we're joined by David Dunn. David Dunn is the Chief Operating Officer of H5 Data Centers. He was previously the VP at Zao as well as an SVP at CoreSite, which was formerly CRG West. Welcome to the Baxtel podcast. David,
David Dunn 01:15
thank you so much for having me. Eric, our relationship goes back at least 15 years, but great to see you. Thanks for having me. We
Eric Bell 01:24
have known each other for a long time. We used to work, in full disclosure, we used to work together, and you hired me at CoreSite. This is back in what 2010 so goes back quite a ways. And H5 is put together. You know, now that you're at H5, you quietly put together a portfolio of datacenters with a focus across the US, right? And with a focus on secondary markets and primary markets. What is, what's driving that growth? You know how? And maybe, what's the strategy behind putting the current Metro footprint together, yeah,
David Dunn 02:02
has it been quiet growth? I don't know. I've been kind of head down now for about 10 years at at H5, we do what we can to promote ourselves, but, but don't do it so shamelessly. I would say about half our portfolio is kind of carrier, hotel and and really getting into tier two, tier three markets. We thought that was an underserved product in the United States, obviously, in the tier one markets, right? We did that at at CoreSite together. You did that at Equinix for years. You know, we thought that tree was, it's a very lucrative and profitable and growing in big tree, but we thought that was largely kind of cornered and picked so we've we've largely focused on the Cary hotel side, on some of the smaller markets, like a Cleveland or Cincinnati or an Albuquerque, San Antonio, etc. And then the other half of our business is kind of more big box, wholesale data center space. And at this point, H5 we're in 20 US markets.
Eric Bell 03:07
20 US markets. How many total datacenters? Then about 2222 Okay, so about one per market. And then instead of expanding in market, you might go to it to new market. Sounds like, you
David Dunn 03:20
know, I mean, obviously there we see some benefit to going out geographically. But now I think you're going to see us do more infill investments as some of our original datacenter sites have probably peaked towards occupancy, and what we can do on that physical property, so we'll look to expand in nearby locations. And what have you take advantage of operational efficiencies, you know, brand positioning in the market and the like.
Eric Bell 03:50
And speaking of footprint, I think that you're in St Louis, Obispo, but not in LA, right?
David Dunn 03:57
We're in San Luis Obispo, yeah, Central Coast, The Lost Coast of California.
Eric Bell 04:01
And so when you, when you said, when I asked you about your favorite sport, personally, I know that you like to surf a lot, and when you were in lived in LA, I know that you used to surf a fair amount. So I'm curious what's the surfing like between LA and San Luis Obispo. It's
David Dunn 04:17
pretty it's pretty incredible. I mean famous places, obviously, la Malibu, Huntington Beach. I love Manhattan Beach. It's like a place where you just get big, close out waves, so you don't get so much of the crowds. It's not your perfect 10 Hawaii wave, but it's fun nonetheless. But going up the coast, Santa Barbara has some incredible breaks, and then in San Luis Obispo, my favorite break is Morro Bay, a beautiful place gets huge northwest swell and not too far from our data center.
Eric Bell 04:54
And if I remember right, Morrow Bay might be a cable landing station as well.
David Dunn 04:58
You know. It's, it's one of those places that serves both, both parties, the surfer and the Internet user.
Eric Bell 05:06
Can you use the cable to pull yourself back out and like a little tow rope?
David Dunn 05:13
That's awesome. But, yeah, that, that part of Central California has, I think it's basically tied with Oregon for the most cables coming in. Obviously, it's a launching point to broader Asia, Australia, New Zealand, Hawaii, different Guam, different Pacific islands.
Eric Bell 05:34
Is that the San Luis Obispo site, and I know it's not your major in your portfolio, but it seems interesting talking about it, is that a multi tenant site where multiple folks can come in, or is it at least a single tenant? I can't remember.
David Dunn 05:47
Yeah, no, it's a great question. It's an interesting story, I think, one that kind of shows where maybe h5 was before what we're trying to do now, but also the value and flexibility h5 can add to investments. So we originally acquired the site as more of a passive investment. So it was leased to a global communications carrier. They had long haul equipment there, and we're basically serving that local cable community right back hauling, think of landing in central California and back hauling to Northern California on on one side, and then back calling to the south to Los Angeles on the other so a great geographic location for accomplishing that. And this particular carrier, through various acquisitions, owned a site nearby, and they thought they were going to basically, maybe move out, or certainly want to contract their lease for the entire building. It's about 44,000 feet. So what we did is we worked with various content providers out there that were working on establishing consortiums and building new cables to Asia. If you didn't know, Eric, I'm sure you do, but something like four out of five new people on the internet come from Asia. So it's kind of a big deal. Obviously, huge population centers, huge areas of economic growth and a huge area of communications between US based content companies and the people and companies of of Asia. So we worked with a consortium, and they're, they're bringing in two new cables basically into that site. So we built out new tier three datacenter space on the second floor. Work to, you know, contract with that global carrier to basically take half the first floor, and I think it was a win, win, win from all sides.
Eric Bell 07:46
Wow. Yeah, that's a good I did not know that backstory, but that's fantastic. So kind of broadening out to your to the broader view of the US market. What have you seen? And there's been a lot of changes, but we're, you know, kind of summarize your your your view, from your point of view, the changes in the in the data center market last five years.
David Dunn 08:10
Yeah, I mean, I would go out to these conferences and sit on panels and, you know, I think that one of my favorite questions that were always asked for these forward looking. What do you see in the data center market going forward and and a couple years ago, I think it was all about, you know, consolidation, right? It was like, company A buys Company C, and gets bigger. We see that in so much of of American industry is just consolidation, basically towards an oligopoly, right? We see it in in every every industry that we know, love and touch. And so I think it would be foolish to think that the datacenter space will will eventually be anything different than that. But right now, I think the growth is so large that it's going to stave off that consolidation for a number of years. There's new capital entrance, new operating partners, new companies, new data center, companies that all have a little bit different take on the business that are going to come in, hopefully flourish, raise capital, meet giant customer demand, whether it's on AI, whether it's cloud services, who knows what's what's around the corner, but it's a pretty exciting time to be in the business. So I just see one word, growth. I think that's the easiest way to put it
Eric Bell 09:30
right, growth, and maybe not as much you know, a lot of people at the turn you know, we're recording this in January 2024, and a lot of people you know, predict consolidation at the beginning of most years, right? And so this almost the opposite. We're going to grow and less about consolidation. And so from an AI perspective, how is that? How are you seeing h5 supporting those requirements? You have a mix of carrier hotels, which are. Difficult to support high density, but you also have that big box
David Dunn 10:06
inventory as well. Yeah, I think we're so early on AI as a product. AI is a function that it's going to be hard to predict exactly what will happen. But you know, maybe a decent analogy will be to look at the cloud services market, right? If you go back to 2006 and seven and 2008 it was all about big box cloud. And that didn't stop that grew tremendously. But what did we also see? We saw cloud needing to go and get bigger at all the carrier hotels, right? So they went to all the tier one markets, and they went pretty big. And then they went even to tier two markets and went pretty big. So I'm curious to see what will happen in the AI market, you know, a couple years down the road, 510, we think of AI as as, you know, basically machine learning, but once that AI has learned, are there applications that are going to need to be proximate to population and industry, productioncenters to make decisions faster, better, stronger, what have you? And I think that answer will be yes. So it's not necessarily about can your Carrie hotel support 50 megawatt Machine Learning Center? That's obviously the wrong tool for the wrong job, but I think AI will splinter out much like Cloud did 15 years ago.
Eric Bell 11:34
Right? You have training where, you know, in the big box, and that's latency independent, and you have inference, which is, you know, generating those answers on the fly, and that could be done closer to the carrier hotel, if not in the carry hotel,
David Dunn 11:47
perhaps, sure, self driving cars is an example. And, you know, I'm way out over my skis, as it relates to exactly how for that application it would be technologically deployed. But you can imagine a scenario where there are things that are big systems, local and, you know, having a site in Quincy, Washington may not serve the people of Atlanta as an example,
Eric Bell 12:15
right? So you said, out over your skis, and I don't see you often out over your skis. I've done downhill skiing with you. I've been in the ocean with you, paddling, although I'm a novice at surfing. Yeah, tell me a little bit about your skiing background. I believe that you know you train when you're high school or college. You're training to for some in competitions in downhill,
David Dunn 12:44
yeah, it's one of those things where you didn't know you had it so good, right? So I grew up formative years in Park City, Utah ski town, I think it had one stoplight when we moved there in kind of the mid 80s, and you basically did one thing, you skied, and I took a love passion of skiing. It was right out my back door. Could always take the bus by myself go skiing. I gravitated towards moguls, so I started out in racing. My dad got me in racing, and he was like, Oh, by the way, it seems like you're pretty good at this other thing. And and moguls was kind of coming up. It wasn't yet an Olympic sport. I think they first did the Olympics with moguls in like 1988 and so I got into this sport and call it 1986 and really dating myself here. But yeah, I loved, I love moguls, and I love hitting jumps in the back country. So I took, I took a love towards aerials, kind of, go big or go home, was the motto I grew up with, and, you know, fell in love with it. But it's one thing where, if it's in your backyard, you can do it all the time. You can hit, you know, endless powder lines in Utah all winter without crazy crowds, because that's kind of what the 80s and 90s were like in Utah. The sport is just completely changed now. Where you know, you live in Colorado, you look at these videos about lines at Vale and even in Utah, in Utah, the skiing is so accessible relative to the distance to the population centers that it's really just gotten so overcrowded and the like. So it's even in Colorado, it's hard, I would say it's kind of hard to make it up there skiing, unless you live in those ski towns. And even then, I guarantee that the, you know, the people live in those towns curse everyone coming up from Denver or from other parts of the country and and ski in their stuff. So, you know, I have one, you know, what would I call? It a passion, kind of a sin, almost, where I basically go up to Canada with some friends, try to make it once a year, go back country, cat skiing and. Just live on powder for four or five days and see nothing else. And that's kind of how I get my ski fix these days.
Eric Bell 15:09
Yeah, I hear you on that. My daughter, my teenage daughter, went skiing yesterday, and it was Martin Luther King Day. So it's a holiday on a Monday, and they drove up, you know, left at six o'clock in the morning, and then they the skill day. They left the hill at four, I guess there's a bus that they took to shuttle back to their parking that took two hours. And then, so they got in the car at like, 630 say, and then start. And they didn't get home until 1230 at night. It should be a two hour drive.
David Dunn 15:41
Wow. And, and we're not even, you know, we're touching on the inconvenience of time, but it was a dangerous night last night in Colorado. I think, you know, temperatures hit kind of negative 10, at least here on the front range. I mean, that is a life threatening scenario. If you run out of gas, you're on the side of the road, obviously the road conditions, so kudos to her for making it back safe. But yeah, it's an adventure to go on. I 70. Anyone who's lived in Colorado knows, knows that one, yep.
Eric Bell 16:11
And then, from an aerial perspective, I know that I've seen you jump, and we've built a jump and jumped off of it, and I've the most I'll do is like a Daffy, which is, you know, like this, you jump, and you're like, just like this. And I feel comfortable doing that, but I've never felt comfortable like trying to do a flip, you know, even on a diving board, into the water. I feel like I can do it, but I always feel like awkward doing it. How do you and landing on the ground? I can't imagine, like you're up in the air. How do you know when you're you're turning that you're, you're, you're, you know, how do you how do you land like a cat on skis? Practice makes
David Dunn 16:53
perfect. Eric, you know that anything you do in life, a little practice helps. I grew up. I'm so grateful that my parents bought me one of these original 1980s dangerous trampolines, right? I think we had it for maybe two weeks before one of the neighbors challenged me to do a fun flip over the fence, and I consequently broke my arm within days of having the tramp. But having a trampoline will just orient you to spinning, rotating, jumping around and having just comfort in the air that that you can't replicate almost by doing anything else. So I credit that. And then obviously you get a little more. You know, I give credit for the people who were going big in the 80s and 90s, doing tricks, because it was well before the motocross scene that invented or found out that, hey, if we try our tricks and land in foam pits, we're going to break a lot less bones. And so now they have foam pits for, you know, all sorts of sports where people are going really big and dangerous on and they practice, they make it perfect, and then they take it out on the hard stuff,
Eric Bell 18:04
interesting, yeah, even, even the practice part scares me. I don't want to get perfect when I have to practice flipping into the air. But yeah, so let's see. Let's get back to it. What market are you most excited about, or what it may be a follow up question is, like expansion plans that that h5 might have?
David Dunn 18:25
Yeah, I think the market we're most looking forward to in 2024 and beyond is probably Northern Virginia. I mean, we are investing a lot of capital in that market, and we're going to have 55 megawatts of available capacity within the next 20 months in that market. So a portion will be ready in 2024 more more will be ready in 2025 and then the balance will be ready just at the, you know, start of 2026 so I think it's an exciting market. Obviously, it's been the epicenter of datacenters for 20 years, right? If you think back to the first AOL days and those deployments in Ashburn off wax, pool, road, et cetera, I think that market's so exciting because of the utility power constraints. So coming up with creative solutions or having the property that's that's next to the substation that has available power has been, you know, a challenge, and everyone's trying to solve it, and we think we've solved it at least for 2024 and 25 so I think that's probably what I'm most excited about. The market is just so large, so diverse with the types of users that it's, I mean, it's the big leagues, right? It's the biggest of big markets in the world, and supply has been a real challenge. And we'll have, we'll have available supply. So I think that's, I think that's pretty exciting, and
Eric Bell 19:57
it is a hot commodity. You know how. Having capacity come online another Virginia because of the power constraints. How are you thinking? I'm sure that there are people you talk to that would want to buy all of it, like, I just want all 54 megawatts, or whatever it is, you know, as soon as you have it, you know, there could be one client you could sell it to, or you slice it up in more, you know, mid size chunks, or even retail chunks, and you'll you'll still sell it all. It'll take longer, but to be a higher margin. So how do you think about, I'm sure it's a debate internal to your company, but how do you guys think about that, that approach?
David Dunn 20:33
Yeah, so our expert site might be more, more akin to the larger deployments. So that's a 42 megawatt site. I think we'll tend to look at, you know, demand from a eight megawatt plus type of viewpoint there, at least that's our objective. Is to try to, you know, to your point, get the larger deals, and whether that's for different customers or one single customer. I think we're open to to either one, but, but it is hard to do that first one, if it's not the full building, because there are a number of parties we're talking to to lease the the full building. And then we have our our Chantilly site just to the south of Ashburn there that might be geared to just, just smaller than that. You know, we think of that side as having a capacity of just over 16 megawatts. So maybe that will be better for the 100 kilowatt to one meg to even four Meg type user, whereas ash burns going, you know, to that next league up in in size,
Eric Bell 21:39
okay. And then yeah, because good luck. And leasing that, I think it's fantastic that you have it coming online. And let's, let's transition to, you know, would love to hear some datacenter war stories, because you've been in the industry for quite a bit, and so you must have some interesting stories, or, yeah, that you could tell us about early days of CRG west or one Wilshire. There's probably plenty out there. Yeah,
David Dunn 22:11
I think, I think any story to do with one Wilshire is fascinating because so many people know the building. It's one of the key points of interconnection in the world, downtown Los Angeles, that brings, you know, its own unique, you know, challenges and opportunities. I think two stories there are pretty interesting. You use the word war, obviously not, not to dumb down that word at all, but Apocalypse Now is one of my favorite films, and I remember we were building out a full floor downtown Los Angeles, 27th floor. The building was built in the late 60s, designed for an office building. No one ever thought they'd be bringing up a bunch of mechanical and electrical equipment to that 27th floor, and we ended up hiring this had to be ex military, pro helicopter pilot to basically drag up big electrical and mechanical equipment on a Saturday morning in Los Angeles. And these, these, these, you know, specialists were up there tied to the building, accepting the equipment, guiding it in. There was basically like a a high dive platform on the 27th floor, just Outlook, you know, over the street, to bring this equipment in. And if you have been in a downtown area and been around low flying helicopters before it is a deafening experience. So Saturday morning, imagine downtown. La, yeah, not too many Office users. But you know, at the time, it was a growing residential area, new condos, new high rises, that sort of thing. And probably unbeknowns to 1000s of of you know, Angelinos, this helicopter is just swirling for hours, and the sound reverberating off all the glass buildings was, I mean, it must be traumatic, like, if anyone's seen Apocalypse Now, you just hear these choppers going, and that's basically what that experience was like. So, pretty, pretty funny, a unique build. It was successful. No one was was injured, and I think we got some angry letters, but, you know, I still thank the people of Los Angeles for letting us do that work. Wittingly or unwittingly.
Eric Bell 24:40
Yeah, amazing story, yeah, and they're a little less sleep that day. Wakey. Wakey, good morning. And, but,
David Dunn 24:50
but I mentioned another story about one Wilshire, because, again, you're, you know, you go, you go to the basically, what's the interconnection trenches? Right? Right? So the Carlo group acquired one Wilshire about two weeks after September 11. So crazy time in the world to say, hey, we're going to invest a lot of money. We're going to invest a lot of money on communications infrastructure and and actually close on the building for something they've been working for for months before the closing. And imagine, you know, a major global event happens, and you're just kind of like, wow, should we make this investment? They do. But the funny story is, the meet me room there was, I think calling it the Wild West is, is makes the Wild West maybe seem too, too orderly, um, basically tragedy the commons. The previous owner basically said you can run cross connections without putting the deposit down, right? So just run them however you want, and no one's watching you. And we'll see what happens. And so fast forward, probably from a time of, you know, the Telecommunications Act of 96 to when, you know, maybe a couple months after Carlisle bought the building. So you probably had six years in there. It was thunder dome, people running cross connects. And what ended up happening was it, it was probably the largest bowl of spaghetti you've ever seen in your life. I mean, four feet of cabling going every which way at that time. I'm sure you can recall most connections were copper and Ethernet, so fiber hadn't really taken off quite as much. So tons of T ones, and, you know, fast es just going everywhere. And I'm surprised that the so much was suspended from the ceiling above. I'm actually surprised and very grateful that there wasn't some sort of structural or earthquake sort of issue. Maybe it helped stabilize the building. I don't know. I'm not a, you know, a structural engineer, maybe in my next life, but pretty fascinating time. And kudos to the leadership at CoreSite, who just said, we're going to do, we're going to clean this up one step at a time, cable by cable, we had a great operations team. I don't recall anytime that anybody was disconnected as a result of that. So really kudos to that team for doing it, but just having the the foresight to say, this is a major problem, and we need to, you know, try to try to rectify this. So a lot of people went into that, but it was quite the, quite the notes from the trenches. I would say,
Eric Bell 27:38
could almost call that project, the fast D that broke the ladder rack.
David Dunn 27:45
I like it, yeah, great play by Tennessee Williams. Yeah, exactly.
Eric Bell 27:50
So yeah, because I remember seeing the pictures, and I remember actually seeing it after it was in, in the process of being cleaned up. And they were just massive amounts of cable. And the text had to go in there and pull, you know, check to make sure each one was not being used each side, and then pull it out. And, yeah, copper, isn't that a light, you know, medium
David Dunn 28:14
Isn't that all be? Yeah, exactly.
Eric Bell 28:18
That's funny, yeah, yeah. And thank God that any none of the ladder acts broke or there weren't any incidents, but yeah, it was, it was treacherous, like site to be the meat room, yep. Well, let's see. Let's move on to what I like to call it, like top picks. And so we'd love to have you provide a few picks, meaning anything that you find useful or impactful to your life. But yeah, so what you know? What would you suggest from that perspective? So I
David Dunn 28:57
was thinking about this. You said, Hey, think, think about some, some unique aspects your life. What you might recommend somebody, I would say, you know, kind of post COVID, I definitely stopped moving as much, right? Things slowed down physically. I wasn't maybe as active. There were obviously challenges with getting together and participating in group sports. And so as you get older, you know, you really start to having, you know, you gotta start think about this stuff. And I picked up racquetball in 2023 I know a sport of, you know, a lot of popularity, let's say, in the 1980s maybe 90s, but I have a great opportunity to go and play at a court, kind of near my house. And it is, it is fantastic to get those fast twitch muscles, the short sprints. And if you're playing for an hour, it's obviously hitting both anaerobic and aerobic aspects of your cardiovascular health. So I find that to be you. A great way to get out energy and run and hit and scream. So it's pretty fun sport.
Eric Bell 30:07
Yeah, they say they intermittent, getting that heart rate up for intermittent sprinting. I guess. I don't know what the term is for it, but that's supposed to be really healthy for you. And I wonder, have you played pickleball? I
David Dunn 30:20
have played pickleball, I find that it's less, you know, it's just, it's a shorter court, right? And so it's, it's less movement. Kudos to all the pickle players out there. I know it's probably the fastest growing sport in the United States, but, and it's great to get people active. I haven't, for one taken I've spent more of my time focused on racquetball and squash. But, yeah, Pickleball is, you know, very, very popular these days.
Eric Bell 30:47
My physician calls it the trampoline for adults. Pickleball that is,
David Dunn 30:54
is he seeing a lot of broken wrists in arm, yeah,
Eric Bell 30:58
ankle, yeah, spraying this, spraying that, I think, I think, I think it's where a lot of adults get injured. Yeah, so
David Dunn 31:06
my dad, my dad, came for the holidays here. We just passed, you know, it's just January, and he walks a lot, has a dog, very active, gets out, walking around, and I got him to play racquetball against my my 11 year old daughter, and he after about 30 minutes, he was just like, completely gassed. He was like, I need to rethink how I think about continuing mobility, athleticism and the like. Because he was shocked, because there's no way he's moving that fast ever with his dog. So he did a great job. Very thankful he didn't get hurt, but my daughter was making him run a lot,
Eric Bell 31:48
cool, cool. And then it Do you have any other
David Dunn 31:50
picks? You know, this is a very Colorado one. It's, it's pretty ridiculous. I like spending my time outside, as you know, Eric. I like some golf. I like skiing. And, you know, weather is pretty, pretty integral to those sports, I would say. And for years, I relied on, you know, the Apple weather app. I just, you know, I thought the weather is the weather. And about a year and a half ago, I downloaded AccuWeather. There's a paid there's a free version. And here in Colorado, where, literally, this morning, I think, our temperature rose 30 degrees in about two or three hours. We live in the Super Bowl of meteorological forecasting, and you it's just so important to have good, good weather dialed in. Is it going to be raining? Is it going to be snowing? Is it going to be negative 10? Is it going to be 50? You know, can you go play golf? It's, it's a great app to have that I thought was just so pedestrian, so easy and and somehow, Apple, bless their products, I think they really don't do a good job on their on their weather app,
Eric Bell 33:01
right? Yeah, you know, I've because of that, I'm an Apple user as well, and I've downloaded a bunch of weather apps, and I feel like they're either filled with ads, and maybe that comes with the paid version, where you remove the ads, or I fall in love with that weather app, and then it's discontinued, or something like that. It feels like it's, it's bought by the Weather Channel, and then it's kind of, you know, it's out. That's happened to me a few times now. And so somebody's consolidating
David Dunn 33:27
all the weather knowledge in this country into into a single app that they're going to charge a lot of money for
Eric Bell 33:34
and put and pump a lot of ads into, I guess, yes, yeah. But AccuWeather, it's a great app. Good, awesome. Thanks for the tip. And then I'm also impressed with your your ability to match your painting in the background. That's very impressive.
David Dunn 33:52
Hopefully I came across. Okay, I don't do too many podcasts, so thanks for bearing with me. Then this
Eric Bell 33:59
is the second location. So this your location. Here is that you we found a different spot with a little better connectivity. And so this was a kind of makeshift and it's just impressive how it you, you match the painting in the background.
David Dunn 34:12
You got to be ready for those audio, video, visual technicalities.
Eric Bell 34:16
Yes, indeed. All right. Well, how can we find out more about h5 or yourself,
David Dunn 34:23
go to our website. H5 datacenters.com you can find us on various portals as well, including Baxtel. We go to a lot of conferences. We try to throw great events. I know I'll be at PTC, the Pacific telecommunications Council conference next week in Honolulu. We have NANOG coming up in February, Metro connect, I think at the end of February in Fort Lauderdale. So I think we're very active on the conference circuit. We love getting out, touching the ecosystem, hearing about interesting things happening on the mechanical the electrical customer side. Things the equipment side. It's it's all it's all changing. It's all pretty fascinating, right now,
Eric Bell 35:05
awesome. Well, I look forward to seeing you out at PTC.
David Dunn 35:08
All right, let's do it. Let's catch a wave. Mahalo.
Eric Bell 35:11
I want to learn about you, and let's do it in a really brief capsule of approximately 60 seconds. So late nights or early mornings, late nights, New York or California, California all the way specifically, SoCal, sweet or salty, salty cats or dogs, corgis, introvert or extrovert, extrovert, meeting or email, email, phone or text, text, who's the smartest person you know? My friend, Nate Schaefer. What's your favorite food? Japanese favorite sport,
David Dunn 35:47
football. First job, I worked at a baseball card shop,
Eric Bell 35:52
nice. I used to collect baseball cards back in the day when I was in like, sixth grade, sixth grade, exactly. Yeah, fiction or non fiction, fiction, secret talent, uh, skier cabinet, or rock cabinet, cabinet, all right.